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Post by Simon Maher on Mar 20, 2005 23:20:32 GMT
After many problems, finally have fuel pump back for my Leyland Atlantean D635. Its had blown gaskets, misthreaded bolts and a charming crack in the casing, all of which are now repaired.
However, Im having no luck at all with matching the pump to the engine. Have the pump setting sorted (Its "E" on the pump for injector 1). Now, the engine says that injection is at 16 degrees before TDC. In the very olden days there would have been a timing plunger on the flywheel casing. Nowadays of course, theres nothing. So, Ive been setting the engine by hand. There are still the two holes on the flywheel, one of which is for TDC and one for injection point. Now, I can manually position these by watching the rockers on 1 & 6 and trying to judge where we are. I can then as close as possible set the engine up and stick the pump on. However, when I go to start it, Nothing. Not even much by way of smoke. Have tried it in about 5 different positions (fecking up a thread on the fuel return at one stage delaying me by another couple of weeks!). So the questions then. Is there an easy way to know Im getting my injection point right? Could I be struggling with a flooded or air filled engine now from the 5 attempts? I bleed as much of the system as possible every time I try the adjustment. Could I have a different (additional) problem too? Any further suggestions? Cheers in advance, Simon
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Post by jimmy193 on Mar 25, 2005 10:13:46 GMT
Hi Simon..... Sounds as though you have been pushing all the right buttons - must admit I thought it would have fired up too. We have a FLT engineer who served his time then worked for a coach firm for years - I will run this past him on Tuesday to see if he can suggest anything. Hang in there.
Regards
Jim
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Post by Simon Maher on Mar 25, 2005 14:25:38 GMT
Thanks Jim, Im going to try it again over the bank holiday weekend and see am I getting some sneaky air leak or compression problem somewhere. Will be back on Tuesday for advice no doubt Thanks again, Simon
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Post by jimmy193 on Apr 3, 2005 14:55:39 GMT
Hi Simon.... Ran the problem past Freddie and without getting hands-on he can't think of anything else to try. One thing he was puzzled by was the 16 deg' - he seems to recall somewhere between 20-23 on that engine but would not commit to that. He said he would ask around !! Jonathan Smith (our site moderator) worked for Lothian Buses for a while and they had Atlanteans, try asking if he is still in contact with any of the mechanics. He will probably see this topic and post a reply anyway. Maybe you had some luck over the bank holiday weekend - let us know. Regards, Jim
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Post by Jonathan Smith on Apr 3, 2005 17:14:30 GMT
For advice on Atlanteans probably best get in touch with Gifford Presevation group or Lathalmond bus museum they have some in preservation. Check out the links page.
I don't have any contacts with the mechanics at Lothian.
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Post by SimonMaher on Apr 16, 2005 12:51:44 GMT
Thanks very much for all the help lads. Had the fuel pump x-rayed (!) and seems to have a fairly nasty crack in it. So if anyone is throwing away a CAV DPA pump, let me know One more bit that Im after is a hydraulic ram for the doors. Its the four section door setup. The rubber seals in the one I have have definitely seen better days. Thanks again, Simon
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Post by jimmy193 on Apr 19, 2005 8:11:43 GMT
Simon... Was browsing through this site this morning and came accross a fuel pump for a 680 - there are loads of other spares advertised too. You can also place an ad for bits wanted. Regards, Jim www.skylineaviation.co.uk/buses/help.html
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Post by SimonMaher on Apr 19, 2005 22:58:05 GMT
Hi Jim! Thanks for that. I found it too! And my ad is already up there. Had a guy on to me selling fuel pumps for 250 quid plus shipping. Have sent my own away for assessment and if it comes back as really shagged then I think I will be taking him up on his offer. Failing that, I saw a complete Leyland 680 engine on Ebay for 300 Quid...Fuel pump, Gearbox etc included. Now, all I need to do is get it posted from Somerset Cheers, Simon
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Post by aza12 on Jan 1, 2021 15:43:28 GMT
The 680 atlantean had a inline pump and a timing plunger later buses had the dpa pump and the timing was set by inserting a bolt into the top of the bellhousing two holes marked TDC And INJ I worked for Lothian buses for 36 years currently helping a mate with his 1972 atlantean.
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Post by aza12 on Jan 4, 2021 19:15:43 GMT
The fuel lift pump becomes problematic after a while and sometimes after an engine overhaul it wouldn't pump fuel so the outlet pipe was taken off and finger put over the outlet and pump when the fuel comes up refit the pipe and bleed the system and slacken the injector pipes to bleed the fuel up.
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