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Post by jon7bes on Mar 14, 2007 0:59:13 GMT
Im a little confused. Ive recently bought a 1979 Leyland Leopard single decker bus. The purpose of which was to drive a group of friends on a European trip. I had planned to convert it into a motorhome. I've just sent off for my provisional D and D1 licence and having now found this site am worried i need a C or C1 licence. There are currently no seats in the vehicle, but had planned to put some back. If there's a dozen of us going can it still be a motorhome and what licence do i need?
Hope someone can help.
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Post by Jonathan Smith on Mar 14, 2007 12:36:24 GMT
Im a little confused. Ive recently bought a 1979 Leyland Leopard single decker bus. The purpose of which was to drive a group of friends on a European trip. I had planned to convert it into a motorhome. I've just sent off for my provisional D and D1 licence and having now found this site am worried i need a C or C1 licence. There are currently no seats in the vehicle, but had planned to put some back. If there's a dozen of us going can it still be a motorhome and what licence do i need? Hope someone can help. If you have 10 or more seats it would be a pcv and need a pcv licence, if it is registered as a motorhome then it may also fall under lgv licence requirements. If it has 10 or more seats you would probably need a PCV mot and road tax. Insurance may also be a problem as you would be carrying alot of passengers. Best contact the DVLA and VOSA to check what they require.
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Post by GeorgeTelford on Mar 14, 2007 17:56:26 GMT
DVLA will lie to you guaranteed
DVLA cannot give legal advice on how vehicles are classified for driving licence purposes. We can only give general guidance. The Vehicle Standards and Engineering Division, Great Minster House, 76 Marsham St, London, SW1P 4DR,(0207 944 2064), may be able to help classify a vehicle that falls under - Works Trucks, Agricultural Motor Vehicles, Industrial Tractors and Engineering Plant but only for the purposes of its Construction and Use.
This information is not intended to be a definitive statement of law.
I have spoke to the people at Marsham St and they say a motorhome is not a goods vehicle and therefore not subject to either the 3.5 tonne limit or the 7.5 tonne limit as these are for Goods vehicles and Motorhomes are not goods vehicles (generally not made for carrying goods or burden)
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Post by jezsteel on Mar 24, 2008 23:06:05 GMT
Hi. I currently hold a C+E licence and a provisional D/ D+E licence. I am looking at purchasing a coach to convert and am considering the possibilities on moving the coach from wherever it is to my home. I assume I would only be able to drive a complete coach (without passengers) if I had a qualified driver with me? Or would my C licence allow me to drive an unladen coach? I only ask due to the hassle of trying to remove seats and derate (as well as finding an understanding seller) before moving. Many thanks,
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Post by Jonathan Smith on Mar 25, 2008 15:47:05 GMT
Hi. I currently hold a C+E licence and a provisional D/ D+E licence. I am looking at purchasing a coach to convert and am considering the possibilities on moving the coach from wherever it is to my home. I assume I would only be able to drive a complete coach (without passengers) if I had a qualified driver with me? Or would my C licence allow me to drive an unladen coach? I only ask due to the hassle of trying to remove seats and derate (as well as finding an understanding seller) before moving. Many thanks, A PCV can be driven by a C holder under certain circumstances, basically a mechanic can drive a bus on a C licence provided there are no passengers being carried.
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Post by jezsteel on Mar 25, 2008 17:24:06 GMT
Thanks for the response. I now assume from that, that I could buy a coach and drive it back to my home address as a 'mechanic' to carry out work on the vehicle?
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Post by Jonathan Smith on Mar 25, 2008 20:45:27 GMT
Thanks for the response. I now assume from that, that I could buy a coach and drive it back to my home address as a 'mechanic' to carry out work on the vehicle? Holders of a full category C (LGV) driving licence can also drive large buses provided they have held the licence for at least 2 years and the vehicle is ; damaged or defective and being driven to a place of repair or being road tested following repair, and is not used for the carriage of any person who is not connected with its repair or road testing. www.dvla.gov.uk/media/pdf/leaflets/d100.pdf
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Post by donwah on Apr 29, 2008 16:14:27 GMT
Hi guys, Newbie here and completely confused!!
I have recently bought a Bedford Plaxton Supreme conversion. It weighs about 9 ton, but the V5 document lists it as 3501 kgs. I have the the Applications for my provisional licence infront of me.
Two questions - If I get my D licence does it cover me? this is my understanding. My conversion has only two seats (proper) and a fixed sofa.
Second Question can someone recommend someone in the Hampshire/ Wiltshire area that I can do some training with? I want to do this whole thing as legally and safely as possible!!
Thanks in advance!!
Donna
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Post by daren on Jul 13, 2008 1:51:09 GMT
YAWN YAWN yawn !!!!! this is the Law ok !!! READ !!!!! UNLESS YOU HAVE A BUS LICENCE YOU CANNOT DRIVE A BUS OK !!!! EXEPT!!!! IF YOUR BUS IS OLDER THAN 30 YEARS FROM FIRST REGISTRATION !!!! AND YOUR CLASS B LICENCE IS PREE 1997 !!!also do not carry more than 8 passengers MAX!!!!THIS IS FACT NOT A SO CALLED LOOPHOLE OK !!!!! PLEASE GO TO YOUR LOCAL DEPT OF TRANSPORT AND ASK FOR LEAFLET INF52 AND D100 AND READ PROPERLY PLEASE OK !!! THERE ARE A FEW OTHER LICENCE RELATED THINGS THAT YOU PROBABLY NEED TO READ IF YOU DONT HAVE A BUS OR A HGV LICENCE BUT I THINK THEY ARE ON THIS FORM TOO OK !!!! ok i hope this helps those off you that are not sure of the LAW but please please do go to the DOT and ask them as they are not the evil ones that some would think !!!!REGARDS DAREN
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Post by daren on Jul 13, 2008 2:01:35 GMT
i think i forgot to say that you need to tell DVLA that your motor has Max say ten seats ok, and that it is still a bus not a motorhome !!your bus is alowed to have beds toilets kitchens same as a coach doing axec -band work ok!but on a pre 97 licence no more than 8 passengers ok!!!!cheers
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Post by daren on Jul 13, 2008 2:04:03 GMT
sorry i ment executive not axec ! cheers DAREN
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Post by daren on Jul 13, 2008 2:07:03 GMT
if in any doubt please get back to me but i dont see this site each day though ok,,cheers Daren
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Post by daren on Jul 14, 2008 19:37:06 GMT
just one more thing, it is fact and law that any motorhome for licence purposes is judged by weight . the term used is mass ! if its over 7.5 ton you must have a lorry licence ! if you passed your test after 1997 you cant even go up to that !
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Post by daren on Jul 14, 2008 21:52:22 GMT
i would also add that in my opinion anyone who wants to drive a large vehicle of any description should take all the necessary training !!! any person who has only driven cars or large vans etc will come unstuck if they try to drive a full size bus or coach !!
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Post by daren on Aug 10, 2008 9:15:19 GMT
i see a post that says PCV MOT and TAX needed in one of the posts above ! this is only needed if the bus is to be used for hire and reward purposes only ! anything outside of that would probably be CLASS 5 MOT and PLG tax ! most of the buses in preservation are set up in a similer legal way !
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